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[paraskevas2004]

O kyrios Carr (Proedros tou New South Wales) gia tous Agwnes sthn A8hna
http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,9715434-23210,00.html

[paraskevas2004]

Kai to idio dhmosievma alla me aitiologish gia ta 8etika sxolia tou Carr apo to BBC
http://www.bbc.co.uk/greek/worldnews/story/2004/06/040601_australiaolympics.shtml
"...Εκτιμάται ότι η κατάσταση αυτή είχε ως αποτέλεσμα την ακύρωση από την πλευρά της Ελληνικής Οργανωτικής Επιτροπής μεγάλης εμπορικής συμφωνίας με εταιρία που είχε έδρα την Νέα Νότια Ουαλία..."

[marin]

To xerate oti i etairia pou sxediase tin dada einai mplegmeni kai sto sxediasmo tou bwmou (cauldron)? Kai oti o peikefalis tis einai EllinoAustralos?

http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,9720552%255E2682,00.html

[Go Europe]

Το ξέρατε ότι την δάδα δεν την σχεδίασε η εταιρία αλλά ο ΕΛΛΗΝ (100%) Ανδρέας Βαρώτσος και οτί το άρθρο λάθος αναφέρει οτί την σχεδίασε η εταιρία. Η εταιρία την κατασκευάζει!!
Άρα και τον βωμό μάλλον ο Βαρώτσος θα τον σχεδίασε!

[calatravas]

Δυσοίωνες οικονομικές προβλέψεις αλλα και ελπίδα για απόσβεση μέσω της βελτιωμένης υποδομής της χώρας.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3770981.stm

[calatravas]

Ο κύριος Κάρρ, ο πρωθυπουργός της Νέας Νότιας Ουαλλίας (όπως έλεγε και ο Παρασκευάς2004 λίγο πιο πάνω) ζητά απο τους Αυστραλούς να σταματήσουν τις επικρίσεις. Άργησαν λίγο αλλα κάτι είναι κι αυτό.

Το άρθρο στα ελληνικά.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/greek/worldnews/story/2004/06/040601_australiaolympics.shtml

[PatraTasos]

Waugh starts torch relay

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olympics_2004/3768879.stm

[thivaios]

gia paidia !

einai sosto oti o souflias sitise apo ton karamanli na ginoun i agones argotera ????
etsi eipane stin germaniki tileorasi ???!!!!

[Ypsilon]

Όχι φίλε μου, πρόκειται απλά για αστείο μιας σατιρικής εφημερίδας.
Βέβαια, τέτοιες ώρες καλό θα είναι να λείπουν κάτι τέτοια (άλλο που δεν ήθελαν τα ξένα ΜΜΕ), αλλά πλέον η βλακεία που δείχνει ο ίδιος ο Ελληνικός Τύπος σχετικά με τους Αγώνες, είναι αδιαβάθμητη...
Σε κάθε περίπτωση, αυτό που έχει σημασία είναι πως η είδηση δεν είναι αληθινή!

[Logi]

Protoselido stin Bild Zeitung ( megalyteri se kykloforia sti germania), oi diloseis souflia

http://www.bild.t-online.de/BTO/index.html


SOUFLIA THANATOS H THANATOS????????

[Ypsilon]

Καταντήσαμε σαχλαμάρα πια !!! Πού θα πάει αυτό το πράγμα??
Τη ζημιά που κάνουμε εμείς στους Αγώνες μας, δεν την έχουν κάνει οι Αυστραλοί, οι Αμερικάνοι και οι Εγγλέζοι μαζί !!!!
Πιστεύω η σχετική ομάδα έργου που ανάλαβε καθήκοντα από προχτές, να έχει ήδη φροντίσει για την αποκατάσταση της αλήθειας!
Κι αυτήν τη φορά δεν φταίει ο (έτσι κι αλλιώς άσχετος) Σουφλιάς, φταίει το "Ποντίκι" και η φαεινή ιδέα του !!!
Ποιος θα μου δώσει το email ή το fax της εν λόγω εφημερίδας????

[Panathas13]

H bild.de omos to gamaei gia ta kalla to thema, mono ta arnitika anaferei kai leei kai merikes.....****
Tous egrapsa ena mail

[ZORBAS]

Με αφορμή ένα άρθρο που είδα στο in.gr η σκέψη μου γύρισε στο άρθρο του Newsweek (10 Μαιου) με τις κοτσάνες για την γέφυρα και την οικονομία. Και παραθέτω το quote και το link που αποδεικνύει ότι αυτή που το έγραψε (η "Τούλα" Vlachou ) ήτανε για πολλές σφαλιάρες.

"After only 15 years of capitalism, a number of the new entrants already have a higher per capita GDP than Greece." Quote, A Bridge to Nowhere Newsweek, 10 May

in.gr:

Βρυξέλλες

Την 15η θέση μεταξύ των 25 κρατών-μελών της Ευρωπαϊκής Ένωσης, σε ότι αφορά το κατά κεφαλήν ΑΕΠ (εκφρασμένο σε μονάδες αγοραστικής δύναμης), κατέχει η Ελλάδα, σύμφωνα με ανακοίνωση της ευρωπαϊκής στατιστικής υπηρεσίας Eurostat.

Συγκερκιμένα, το κατά κεφαλήν ΑΕΠ της Ελλάδας αντιστοιχεί στο 79% του μέσου κοινοτικού.

Από τα νέα κράτη-μέλη μόνο η Κύπρος παρουσιάζει υψηλότερο κατά κεφαλήν ΑΕΠ (83% του μέσου κοινοτικού), ενώ από τους «15» το μόνο κράτος που έχει χαμηλότερο κατά κεφαλήν ΑΕΠ από αυτό της Ελλάδας είναι η Πορτογαλία με 75%.

Το υψηλότερο ΑΕΠ μεταξύ των «25» εμφανίζει το Λουξεμβούργο (208%) και το χαμηλότερο η Λετονία (42%).

Τέλος, το κατά κεφαλήν ΑΕΠ των υποψήφιων για ένταξη στην ΕΕ κρατών αντιστοιχεί στο 30% του μέσου κοινοτικού για τη Ρουμανία, στο 29% για τη Βουλγαρία και στο 27% για την Τουρκία.


news.in.gr, με πληροφορίες από ΑΠΕ

Ολίγον άσχετο το post αλλα τι να κάνω, ήθελα να το βάλω

[paraskevas2004]

Dystyxws einai alh8eia oti h merimna gia beltiosh ths poiothtas tou periballontos sthn A8hna me thn eykairia twn Olympiakwn htan elleipestath.

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/SPORT/06/03/olympics.environment/

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=sportsNews&storyID=522860&section=news

[paraskevas2004]

Sxetika me thn asfaleia kai tis ka8ysterhseis sthn egkatastash twn systhmatwn

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/athens/2004-06-03-notes_x.htm

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/06/02/sports1103EDT0554.DTL

[Chris]

http://www.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/20/0,1872,2101268,00.html


sto parapanw link yparxei ena voting gia ta stadia twn a8hnwn
an 8a einai etoima sthn wra tous pshfhste to prwto h to deutero
1: 8a einai ola etoima
2: me perikopes
3 oute se onoiro

Pros to paron 1: 74%

einai apo to deutero germaniko kanali ZDF

[Chris]

PS: meta pathste to prwto portokali belaki

to voting einai peripou sth mesh ths selidas

[calatravas]

Germanika den kserw, to " Athen 2004: Marathon gegen das Chaos " omws to katalaba.

[UWG]

Elpida oti tha eparxi erini gia 16 meres....
http://www.iht.com/articles/523165.html

[paraskevas2004]

Sxetika me thn orofi kai to 3ekinhma ths olis8hshs tou anatolikou to3ou

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/sports/8830825.htm

http://www.nola.com/sportsflash/topstories/index.ssf?/newsflash/get_story.ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?s0387_BC_OLY--AthensNotebook&&sports&sportsflash-topstory

Einai polla ta sites pou exoun to idio ar8ro giati pairnoun oloi grammh apo to Associated Press

[wizard]

[UWG]

To lipon e Dora Bakoyani milise sto CNN gia peripou 15 lepta..
Katapliktiko to reportaz.
Stis erotisis pou tis ekanan eipe ta exsis.
1) Oles e athlitikes egatastasis tha einai etimes stin ora tous.
2) E Athina tha einai to pio asfales meros tou kosmou tin ora ton agonon.
3) Tha xriasthoun 15-20 meres gia na egatastathoun ta anagea metra asfalias stis athlitikes agatastasis pou tha paradothoun ton epomeno mina.
4) Tonise oti olos o kosmos tha mas boethisi me tin asfalia ton agonon (Onomase 5-6 krati) kai oti tha semetexi kai to NATO.
5) Parathextike oti epirxsan kathisterisis ala oxi pia
6) Anefere oti e Olibiaki stin Athina then tha simbolizoun lefta kai commercialism ala tin erini, demokratia kai tin axioprepia
7) Apadise oles tis erotisis telia

Kani kai deftero reportaz me alo kanali afti tin stigmi

[jimbo]

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:_89DStF8WngJ:www.cnnsi.com/pr/subs/siexclusive/rick_reilly/2004/05/31/reilly0607/+rick+reilly+got+a+greek+ancestor&hl=en

[Tzinos]

To parapanw arthro den mporw na pe oti se genikes grammes peftei eksw.

Afto pou me exorgizei omos einai to gegonos pos MILANE KAI OI AMERIKANOI!!!!!!???????????????????????????

Dystyxws den mporesa na vrw to email tou kyriou Rilley , oxi tipot'allo, apla gia na tou thymisw oti me tooooooooses pergamines pou deixnei to CV tou sto site, den dikaioutai na milaei gia elliniki omada baseball , otan i USA parousiase omada ektrwma me kathe karydias karydi sto Mundial tou 1994.....

OXI NA MAS TIN LENE K OI AMERIKANOI!!!!!

[KEFALONITIS]

Ena a8ro apo to BLOOMBERG.

Sygnwmh pou to para8etw autousio alla den ebrhka thn dieu8unsh ths istioselidas..


By Theophilos Argitis
June 4 (Bloomberg) -- Aris Vovos is betting 25 million euros
($30.5 million) on the 2004 Olympic Games in Athens.
The managing director of Babis Vovos International
Construction SA, Greece's biggest commercial real estate
developer, plans to build a 120-unit complex of vacation homes
near the ancient Greek sanctuary of Sounion -- a site mentioned
in Homer's Odyssey.
Like business owners all over the country, Vovos, 39,
expects Greece's moment in the international spotlight will spur
foreign investment and tourism. ``The Olympics are an emissary
promoting our natural beauty, culture and climate,'' says Vovos,
who plans to sell his company's vacation homes for as much as
900,000 euros each.
The stakes are higher for the government of Prime Minister
Costas Karamanlis, which needs a successful outcome to the
Olympics to keep the economy growing. Greece's economy grew 4.2
percent last year, according to the European Union, compared with
an average of less than 1 percent for the 12 nations that use the
euro.
As the Olympics' Aug. 13 opening day approaches, the country
is grappling with construction delays, security concerns and cost
overruns.
If anything went wrong with the games, says Georgios
Tsakiris, president of the Athens Hotel Association, the
consequences would be dire.

Hotel Investments

``It would be a shock because we've invested a lot of
money, we owe a lot of money and we are basing this on a good
outcome of the games, which we believe we will have,'' Tsakiris
says.
Athens hotels have invested 950 million euros since 2001 to
prepare for the games, he says.
The Greek government is spending a total of about 13.4
billion euros on Olympic projects and related transportation
improvements.
Those costs include 5.4 billion euros for Olympics-related
security and facilities, including arenas, interior roads and the
Olympic village -- about 800 million euros, or 17 percent, more
than originally budgeted, Karamanlis said in May.
In addition, the government is investing about 8 billion
euros in transportation improvements including a new Athens
airport, a suburban railway and a city metro system.
The International Institute for Management Development
lists Greece as the fourth-least-competitive economy among the 21
EU nations the institute ranks. Greece's foreign direct
investment grew more than 10-fold to 586 million euros in 2003
from 53.4 million euros the previous year. That's still less than
1 percent of gross domestic product.

Image Boost

``The immediate impact from the games on the bottom line
won't be substantial because of the investment costs,'' says
Costas Theodoropoulos, who manages 500 million euros of assets at
Allianz Dresdner Asset Management Hellas in Athens. ``But a
successful games can have a large impact on the country's image,
and that will be good for the economy.''
Greece is racing to complete all of its security
preparations, construction and landscaping. On May 12, the
International Olympic Committee's top inspector, Denis Oswald,
said in a news conference that Greece would be ready to host the
games in August.
At the same meeting, Gianna Angelopoulos-Daskalaki,
president of the Athens Organizing Committee, said 60 percent of
the 39 Olympic venues were still incomplete. No single project
was less than 85 percent complete.

Terrorism Concerns

Terrorism concerns persist. While Greece is spending a
record 1 billion euros on security, IOC President Jacques Rogge
faulted the government for taking too long to award the contract
to build a command-and-control network linking security forces
and venues. Greece is still training its police and military on
the system.
For economists, a bigger concern is Greece's growing debt.
The Greek budget deficit may exceed the EU's ceiling of 3 percent
of gross domestic product for a second year in 2004, Economy
Minister George Alogoskoufis said last month.
Platon Monokroussos, chief economist at EFG Eurobank
Ergasias SA, Greece's No. 3 lender, says the government may cut
spending after the games.
``A more austere fiscal policy is obviously negative for
Greece's growth outlook,'' Monokroussos says. ``There will be
long-term benefits from the Olympics, but whether they are worth
the price paid is up for debate.''
Greece has increased borrowing to fund its Olympics-related
projects. The government sold a record 33.6 billion euros of
bonds last year.

Generating Jobs

About half of the 2.14 billion-euro expense for the Athens
airport was covered by loans from the European Investment Bank
and commercial banks. The EIB also helped finance the 2.15-
billion-euro metro system in Athens.
Greece's economy has already benefited from the Olympics as
construction and other projects generated jobs. The unemployment
rate fell to an average of 9.3 percent in 2003, the first time in
six years it slipped below 10 percent.
In April, the EU projected that Greece's jobless rate would
fall to a 12-year low of 8.4 percent in 2004 and 8 percent in
2005.
Tourism hasn't yet gotten its expected boost from the
Olympics buildup. Greece was the world's No. 10 tourist
destination in 2002, according to the World Tourism Organization.
Receipts from foreign visitors fell to a four-year low of
9.5 billion euros in 2003, about 6.3 percent of gross domestic
product, according to government figures, as Greece lost visitors
to cheaper destinations such as Turkey. In 2000, tourism
accounted for 8.3 percent of Greece's GDP.

`Below Expectations'

Concerns over Greece's readiness to host the Olympics have
hurt the tourism industry. ``Our numbers are currently down below
expectations and will probably end up being below the numbers we
took to Barcelona and Sydney,'' says David Gambier, director of
group travel operations for Sportsworld, a U.K.-based tour
operator.
In Athens, hotel stays fell by about 5 percent in the first
three months of 2004, says Tsakiris of the hotel association.
``We are very below what one would expect in an Olympic year,''
he says.
Hosting an Olympics can help promote a country and open new
markets for its industries.
The 2000 Sydney games, which cost an estimated A$6 billion
($4.15 billion), generated free publicity valued at A$6.1 billion
for Australia, according to a report from PricewaterhouseCoopers
LLP.

Olympic Boost

Australian businesses involved in the 2000 games won about
A$2 billion worth of sports-related contracts within 15 months of
the games' conclusion, the report says.
Greek companies may get a similar boost from their Olympic
contracts. Terna SA, a Greek construction company building
Athens's 24-kilometer (14.9-mile) streetcar line jointly with
Italy's Impregilo SpA, plans to bid on similar transit contracts
in the Middle East and southeastern Europe, says George
Peristeris, the company's chairman. ``Having executed this kind
of specialized work gives us a clear competitive advantage,'' he
says.
For a country, hosting the Olympics can also speed up the
funding of projects that have languished, says Holger Preuss, a
professor of sports economics at Johannes Gutenberg-University
Mainz in Germany. ``Once a bidding city wins the Olympics,
suddenly decisions become easier to make and money becomes easier
to find,'' Preuss says.

Metro System

Greece had mulled building an Athens metro system and a new
city airport for decades. Winning the right to host the games
sped up the timetable for both projects. The new airport and the
main arteries of the metro system are complete.
Greece's investment budget, which includes construction of
highways and rail networks, grew 22 percent last year to a record
8.5 billion euros.
The improved infrastructure led Delft, Netherlands-based
Ikea, the world's biggest home furnishings retailer, to build its
first store in Athens, along the suburban highway that leads to
the new airport, 33 kilometers from the city center.
Other foreign investors may follow, attracted by faster
commuting times and cheaper real estate farther from the city,
says Stratos Papademetriou, former president of Greece's foreign
investment agency and a professor of transportation at the
University of Piraeus.
``This may be the most lasting legacy of the Olympics for
the country,'' he says.

--Editor: Schatz.

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To contact the reporter on this story:
Theophilos Argitis in Athens at 30-210-727-9073 or
targitis@bloomberg.net

To contact the editor responsible for this story:
Ron Henkoff in New York at (212)-318-2347 or
rhenkoff@bloomberg.net.